Brute 650 in teryx?

dsewell11 · #1 (**permalink**) 07-03-2012, 12:03 PM

Crank gone in 750 garage wants to put brute 650 in. Just use for plowing and odd trail ride. Everyone I speak to about thinks its a great idea and should last longer then 750 including dealership owner. I am no mechanic but pros seem to outway the cons. What should i do?

SouthCo · #2 (**permalink**) 07-03-2012, 12:26 PM

I wouldn't...

Can you list the pros and the cons that you are aware of?

dsewell11 · #3 (**permalink**) 07-03-2012, 12:42 PM

Cons they say little loss of power. Resale value may decrease.

Pros upfront cost slightly used 650 is 1500 rebuild of 750 is 2200 without pistons if required. Wont have to worry about crank as they say 650 is almost bulletproof.

The parts manager at parts store said he would swap. Dealer mechanic and Dealership owner both said they would install 650 instead of rebuild even though they would not be doing install but would be rebuilding and the shop it is at right now does not recommend rebuild on 750 because of previous problems they have dealt with. They claim crank is bound to go again.

My theory is I only have 200hrs on bike in 4 years of ownership. Bought it new in fall of 08. Crank already gone, even though partly my fault for not checking oil, I will always have a trust issue. Even the brute force people do not recommend to buy 750 but 650 because of durability issues. I think for all I use it for I would not notice any difference in power and believe it will outlast the rebuild of my 750.

**Desertdog615** · #4 (**permalink**) 07-03-2012, 03:14 PM

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Originally Posted by dsewell11

Cons they say little loss of power. Resale value may decrease.

Pros upfront cost slightly used 650 is 1500 rebuild of 750 is 2200 without pistons if required. Wont have to worry about crank as they say 650 is almost bulletproof.

The parts manager at parts store said he would swap. Dealer mechanic and Dealership owner both said they would install 650 instead of rebuild even though they would not be doing install but would be rebuilding and the shop it is at right now does not recommend rebuild on 750 because of previous problems they have dealt with. They claim crank is bound to go again.

My theory is I only have 200hrs on bike in 4 years of ownership. Bought it new in fall of 08. Crank already gone, even though partly my fault for not checking oil, I will always have a trust issue. Even the brute force people do not recommend to buy 750 but 650 because of durability issues. I think for all I use it for I would not notice any difference in power and believe it will outlast the rebuild of my 750.

DUDE, they are trying to sell you a USED motor. Slightly used my A$$. They don't know what there talking about if they think the stock 750 crank is weak. They are not telling the truth. Quit looking at the $700 dollars you think your saving upfront and focus on the lost value by downgrading the vehicle. Not to mention it's a USED motor. Especially when $700 more gets you a newly rebuilt motor......No Brainer.

rockgod · #5 (**permalink**) 07-03-2012, 04:44 PM

thats like a yamaha rhino 450 who wants one

rockwell · #6 (**permalink**) 07-04-2012, 12:41 AM

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Originally Posted by dsewell11

Cons they say little loss of power. Resale value may decrease.

Pros upfront cost slightly used 650 is 1500 rebuild of 750 is 2200 without pistons if required. Wont have to worry about crank as they say 650 is almost bulletproof.

The parts manager at parts store said he would swap. Dealer mechanic and Dealership owner both said they would install 650 instead of rebuild even though they would not be doing install but would be rebuilding and the shop it is at right now does not recommend rebuild on 750 because of previous problems they have dealt with. They claim crank is bound to go again.

My theory is I only have 200hrs on bike in 4 years of ownership. Bought it new in fall of 08. Crank already gone, even though partly my fault for not checking oil, I will always have a trust issue. Even the brute force people do not recommend to buy 750 but 650 because of durability issues. I think for all I use it for I would not notice any difference in power and believe it will outlast the rebuild of my 750.

What a complete load of BS.

There is very little difference between the 650 and 750 when it comes to durability. A few people say the 750 runs a little hotter, that's it. I'm a brute force person with two brutes and I've never heard anyone say not to buy a 750. The 750's do not have a crank problem. All Kawasaki's have a lazy owner problem. They don't check the oil or they ride in deep water but can't be bothered to snorkel them. If your crank is gone from oil starvation because you didn't check the oil, it's totally your fault and it would have happened to a 650 as well.

Your dealer is an idiot. Along with the power loss due to less horsepower, how does he plan to deal with the different gearing? You can't put bigger tires on a brute without clutch work or you'll smoke the belt. Imagine what doubling the weight will do. Brute 610lbs, teryx 1300lbs. Now add your plow. Only way to fix it is to swap gears from your 750, which means splitting both cases, which makes it cost more than rebuilding your 750. Sure they want to sell you a 650. They get rid of an old engine nobody wants and they get to sell you a half dozen belts before christmas. We haven't even touched on jetting for different air box and muffler or differences in the output shafts.

**bigblackbrute** · #7 (**permalink**) 07-04-2012, 05:59 AM

Yep BS on the no power loss and weak 750 crank. Ther is no difference in crank except for stroke.

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**Desertdog615** · #8 (**permalink**) 07-04-2012, 07:01 AM

[QUOTE=rockwell;153592]What a complete load of BS.

There is very little difference between the 650 and 750 when it comes to durability. A few people say the 750 runs a little hotter, that's it. I'm a brute force person with two brutes and I've never heard anyone say not to buy a 750. The 750's do not have a crank problem. All Kawasaki's have a lazy owner problem. They don't check the oil or they ride in deep water but can't be bothered to snorkel them. If your crank is gone from oil starvation because you didn't check the oil, it's totally your fault and it would have happened to a 650 as well.

Your dealer is an idiot. Along with the power loss due to less horsepower, how does he plan to deal with the different gearing? You can't put bigger tires on a brute without clutch work or you'll smoke the belt. Imagine what doubling the weight will do. Brute 610lbs, teryx 1300lbs. Now add your plow. Only way to fix it is to swap gears from your 750, which means splitting both cases, which makes it cost more than rebuilding your 750. Sure they want to sell you a 650. They get rid of an old engine nobody wants and they get to sell you a half dozen belts before christmas. We haven't even touched on jetting for different air box and muffler or differences in the output shafts.[
/QUOTE]

That is a perfect lay down of info. However remember, sometimes no matter how much good info you give someone, they just refuse to take it. Short term thinking

dsewell11 · #9 (**permalink**) 07-04-2012, 07:16 AM

Thanks for all the input! Rebuild it will be! Glad for all the honesty. I got exactly what I wanted when I posted which was unbiased opinion and the raw facts which I could not get locally. Thanks again!