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Old 10-14-2012, 05:25 PM
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belt slipping

I was riding the other day and going up a medium grade slope that was kinda rocky so i had my T4 in low range picking my way up the hill, when I got to where it was smooth again I put it in hi range and hit the gas and the belt or clutch was slipping pretty bad. It was squealing pretty bad and wouldn't hardly move. Rode for about 30 min and missed a turn I was suppose to take which was on another bit of a hill, backed up and went to take back of in hi range and it did it again. Anyone have a problem like this? Anyone have any ideas? I am not very happy about it, my buggy only has about 800 miles on it, and I am not very hard on it. It hasnt been in any deep water, barley even in the floor boards a few times. If it keeps it up it is going back to dealer.
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Old 10-14-2012, 10:22 PM
 
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If you stop fast the belt won't have time to gear up on the rear pulley and will have lots of play. The rear wheels may skid slightly. Try to stop slowly to change gears and it won't do it. Its worse in mud and sand. Let us know if that fixes your problem. The belt is in tension all the time unless you stop fast. All the wet clutch belt drive models will do this.
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Old 10-14-2012, 10:26 PM
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being that you already have 800 mile it could use a belt adjustment
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Old 10-14-2012, 10:35 PM
 
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The Teryx 4 has a wet clutch and the belt is in tension all the time. There is no belt adjustment like the Teryx 2 which needs a delfection adjustment after a good break in.
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Old 10-18-2012, 07:20 AM
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redryder,
My T4 has done the same thing a few times when I gave it too much throttle after switching from low to high. Particularly after climbing a steep hill. Best to always use 4x4 low on hills, and then drive for a short distance after the terrain flattens out before switching to high 2x4. Then gradually roll into the throttle to get the belt where it need to be. Then you can stomp on it.

Kawasaki recommends inspection of the belt every 200 hours or 2500 miles. Replace if necessary.
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Old 10-18-2012, 09:07 AM
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well it should be under warrenty yet,kawi should gave a extra 6 months if you had the steering recall done
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Old 10-18-2012, 01:44 PM
 
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All the wet clutch belt drive models will do this.
Do you mean the wet clutch like on some motorcycles?

I know that T4 CVT belt is always under the tension (that's why no shim adjustment), and the centrifugal clutch does the actual engaging & disenaging.

Other than that, how is T4 CVT system different from T2?
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Old 10-18-2012, 02:26 PM
 
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well guys i was gonna wait till 3000 miles to post a thread about my belt life on the t4.... well it didn't quite make it to 3000 miles on the original belt, only 2650 miles. not bad considering i think....and my neighbors xp 900 only made it 900 miles on first belt... ya they have more HP we have more weight and i don't ride it easy... so 2600 miles is good in my opinion.. so in regards to your belt squealing, mine has been doing it too, i would like to think the sound is a rough bark kind of sound (and kinda loud) mine started doing it probably every know and then back around 1000 miles maybe earlier. at first i wasn't sure why, but like they said, if you stop the rig too quickly, since our belts are always under tension, and i agree and believe that the driven clutch stops fast ( the one connected to the driveline/wheels) that the primary clutch doesn't get the belt back into the base or 0 mph area and tight again. i first noticed it liked to slip right after i would grab the brake quick when i trying to go through mud, when i know i getting stuck i stop quickly as to not dig a hole.this is when it would slip. well one day on pavement i stopped the rig fast and hard and noticed it slipped again. so nothing to do with load on the tires (mud).... i also believe that heat makes this problem worse... i originally had a air filter pulled over the cvt intake duct to keep dust out the cvt. well few weeks ago i thought i blew the belt. (it was actually grass wrapped around front driveshaft making funny slapping noises. sounded like a belt going out. just like on a snowmachine... so i tore it apart, got me a new belt... belt looked so good i left it in there. there was no strings on it or wear showing.. this was at 2450 miles. while i had rig apart i installed a temp gauge sensor on cvt exhaust duct just to do it. well first ride out noticed after 20 miles of driving hard temps. were over 200 F hmm. sounded a little high. well tore the dash off and found my filter on the cvt intake partially clogged, removed filter and ran the T4 another 100miles, now the temperature never got over 150 F . well this past weekend while driving at high speed, something broke, i believe it be the belt. havent tore apart yet. will get pictures up on here from before and after soon as i can. just wanted to share.... so i think high temps are gonna cause the belt slippage more often when the t4 is stopped rather quickly in anyway, but i could be wrong.. maybe everyone with a t4 could do a test. go out on pavement or hard pack, and try this cold first, before a lond ride... hit the brakes as fast as you can to a full stop, then try to accelerate again. see if it barks. then after its fully warmed up(the cvt) after a long ride. try it again, see if its worse now?? post up any finding if ya could. if my belt is broke, ill get the new one in and retest as well, my guess is my belt maybe got premature wear from the excessive heat i put it throught. i live in a decent climate for temp. this summer never got over 75F so you guys running desert under full load and for any length of time must getting this hot too!!! i used to live in sd and ride glamis, i cant imagine riding in dunes all day with t4 fully loaded
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Old 10-18-2012, 07:35 PM
 
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I rode in glamis all last weekend. Noticed when I got off the throttle fast in the deep sand it would bark. I just adjusted my driving style a bit in those situations and it didn't do it again. Also watched a commander blow a belt going up olds hill. Went to help him out to find he only had 20 hrs on the machine.
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Old 10-18-2012, 09:13 PM
 
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Good info on the fast stops. That will leave a lot of lay in the belt until it rolls a bit. I did a test on a Suzuki King Quad with the belt drive cover off to show the guys. As you skid to a stop the belt doesn't get all the back up on the rear pulley so there is lots of play in the belt. As you take off the front pulley has to engage the belt at a higher rpm and the gear is higher also. Lots of squeal on any wet clutch belt drive if you skid to a stop.
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Old 01-20-2013, 09:28 AM
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I had a couple situations this weekend stopping on a steep hill in 4L and hitting the gas causing the belt to "bark". I'm glad to hear it's normal and can adjust my driving style to compensate. I've never had this happen on my Grizzly 450 which has a similar CVT setup (maybe less weight & power have something to do with this?).
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Old 01-20-2013, 10:53 AM
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Getting 2600 miles out of a CVT belt sounds good to me. I had a Rhino before and those belts go forever. Still I'm good with the quality of the Kawi belt.
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Old 01-20-2013, 07:58 PM
 
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I've got about 1600 miles on mine now and it's starting to bark a bit in high. Usually after I've been on the highway at 50 for several miles. I think I'm going to throw a spare belt in the road box just in case.
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I have 3688 miles on my t4. Still on the original belt. I noticed when mine starts barking after a hard stop, I put it in reverse and back up a little then go forward. Try taut and see how that works.
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Old 05-30-2013, 09:59 AM
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I have 3688 miles on my t4. Still on the original belt. I noticed when mine starts barking after a hard stop, I put it in reverse and back up a little then go forward. Try taut and see how that works.
That will work. I figured out the same thing yesterday after a steep hill climb. It was weird but backing up works great, then 4H no problem. One of those things you just have to get used to.
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Old 05-30-2013, 10:29 AM
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I had a couple situations this weekend stopping on a steep hill in 4L and hitting the gas causing the belt to "bark". I'm glad to hear it's normal and can adjust my driving style to compensate. I've never had this happen on my Grizzly 450 which has a similar CVT setup (maybe less weight & power have something to do with this?).
I had the same thing happen this weekend at the top of a hill climb when I spun out when the 4wd didnt engage. Good to know its normal. It didn't smoke to where I could smell it. Just barked a bit. Had to back off and hit it again. Worked fine after backing up.
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I got 3690 mes right now on a original belt. I haven't seen any of the other o es do that. I have got a replacement oem belt on its way. Maybe that will help a little.
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