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post #26 of 60 (permalink) Old 10-09-2018, 01:44 PM
 
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Sorry I have no pictures of the bent brackets. As for the rest of it , it's a matter of what you are comfortable with, I'm not comfortable with drilling holes, just as I would never drill holes in the already weak roll cage to run wires. I would much rather replace a hard brake line with a flexible braided one and bleed the line, very easy. So I'm sorry if I offended anyone by saying I think that the satv 2 inch lift is superior as I stated, ( I think ) simply a matter of opinion.
As stated in the above post I don't think you offended anyone. Everybody has the right to their own opinion....some people think drilling holes is easier and some think changing out a brake line is easier. Somebody searching these pages and trying to decide which lift they want can read both sides of the conversation and make their own decision, and it's good to read different viewpoints.

I currently have the Highlifter kit and have no issues with it and would recommend it. However I would like to try the Brute Performance lift but not willing to spend the extra money to replace what I currently have, and if somebody had given me the SuperATV lift or had I been able to get ahold of it for a great deal when I was looking for lifts it would be on my machine now.
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I got to run my Teryx around my hunting land some this past weekend with my Brute Performance lift. The added ground clearance is noticeable. Did not drag near as much. . Should have took before and after measurements of ground clearance but I forgot. As far as riding better like people have mentioned, I really did not notice a big difference. It did feel like it rode somewhat better. The fastest I got up to was about 15 mph though.

Install took about 30 minutes.

Will report back after a good ride on the lift.

And someone bending the highlifter lift, some people can tear up anything. Haha. I sure we all got a buddy like that or know someone. I got one that destroys everything he drives.


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Going out this weekend, providing I don't become a grandpa again 1 due any day now, and I will be putting the satv lift through it's paces. I will give info on actual amount of lift, difference in ride, articulation, bottoming of suspension, everything I can think of. If there is anything else I can tell anyone about this satv 2 inch lift as I am reviewing it please tell me what you would like to know and I will do my best to check specific things about it
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I got to run my Teryx around my hunting land some this past weekend with my Brute Performance lift. The added ground clearance is noticeable. Did not drag near as much. . Should have took before and after measurements of ground clearance but I forgot. As far as riding better like people have mentioned, I really did not notice a big difference. It did feel like it rode somewhat better. The fastest I got up to was about 15 mph though.

Install took about 30 minutes.

Will report back after a good ride on the lift.

And someone bending the highlifter lift, some people can tear up anything. Haha. I sure we all got a buddy like that or know someone. I got one that destroys everything he drives.


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Did you adjust your pre-load to the recommend settings to achieve the full 2" of lift or did you settle for 1" with the stock preload settings? If you did adjust the pre-load, how did it affect ride quality?

I'm thinking of keeping the stock pre-load and settling for 1" of lift. That combined with 28" tires i'll be getting once the stock ones need replacing *should* be enough for the trails I go on. So far the only time I've dragged the belly is when I've had more than 2 people in the vehicle.

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Going out this weekend, providing I don't become a grandpa again 1 due any day now, and I will be putting the satv lift through it's paces. I will give info on actual amount of lift, difference in ride, articulation, bottoming of suspension, everything I can think of. If there is anything else I can tell anyone about this satv 2 inch lift as I am reviewing it please tell me what you would like to know and I will do my best to check specific things about it
Looking forward to reading your review, and congrats on the new addition to the family.

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Did you adjust your pre-load to the recommend settings to achieve the full 2" of lift or did you settle for 1" with the stock preload settings? If you did adjust the pre-load, how did it affect ride quality?

I'm thinking of keeping the stock pre-load and settling for 1" of lift. That combined with 28" tires i'll be getting once the stock ones need replacing *should* be enough for the trails I go on. So far the only time I've dragged the belly is when I've had more than 2 people in the vehicle.



Looking forward to reading your review, and congrats on the new addition to the family.


I adjusted the preload to half of what the directions said. I wanted to see how it handled before I went any further. I measured the ground clearance last night and its at 13.5 inches. Iím running 27 inch outback max tires too set a 10 lbs of air right now.

I didnít do any real hard riding in it yet but from what little Iíve rode it, it seems to ride a little better. Rode down some rough dirt roads and didnít seem to jar the machine as much. Hopefully Iíll get to go on a real ride soon and give a better review.

I should have took before and after measurements but I did not think about it.

Hereís a few pics of how it sits right now. Itís not exactly sitting on level ground either.




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Barefoot, it sounds you are pretty satisfied with the lift so far, if I am understanding it correctly with that lift to achieve the full 2 inches of lift you have to add preload to the springs
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Barefoot, it sounds you are pretty satisfied with the lift so far, if I am understanding it correctly with that lift to achieve the full 2 inches of lift you have to add preload to the springs


So far I am satisfied. If I can get away from work Iíd go to West Virginia and test it out for real.

But you are correct. Adjusting the preload will get you the full 2 inches of lift. If no preload adjustments are made you only gain 1 inch. I should be at 1.5 inches of lift the way I set mine.


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So far I am satisfied. If I can get away from work Iíd go to West Virginia and test it out for real.

But you are correct. Adjusting the preload will get you the full 2 inches of lift. If no preload adjustments are made you only gain 1 inch. I should be at 1.5 inches of lift the way I set mine.


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My experience with my lift has also been what seems to be a smoother ride. But I need to trail test mine as well. I'm thinking Veterans day weekend at Hatfields. Anyone want to tag along?

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Who owns the land that Hatfield's is on? I understand that alot of your trail systems require permits to use. Do you have to pay for each system each time, yearly pass, combined all systems pass
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Sorry wrong place for this
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So far I am satisfied. If I can get away from work Iíd go to West Virginia and test it out for real.

But you are correct. Adjusting the preload will get you the full 2 inches of lift. If no preload adjustments are made you only gain 1 inch. I should be at 1.5 inches of lift the way I set mine.


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Barefoot, thanks for the report and pics. I like that Brute Performance lift the best of the various lifts that are available. If I decide to go to larger diameter tires I'll also use the Brute Performance lift.

Moving the lower shock mount inboard has the same affect on the shock as changing the spring-rate to a softer spring. Some folks believe that tightening down the preload changes the spring-rate but that is not true. The spring-rate remains the same no matter how little, or how much preload is placed on the spring. If a person is looking for a little softer feel on compression with the stock shock then the Brute Force lift is going to provide that feel. On the other hand, if a person needs a bit stiffer compression with the stock shock then they will have to add a spring with a stronger/heavier spring rate. Of course damping will be altered in both cases but there isn't anything that can be done in that regard with rebound as there is no rebound adjustment with the stock shock.

For the way we use our 'buggy' I would find a softer spring-rate to be a 'plus' which is why I would choose the Brute Force lift kit.
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Moving the lower shock mount inboard has the same affect on the shock as changing the spring-rate to a softer spring. Some folks believe that tightening down the preload changes the spring-rate but that is not true. The spring-rate remains the same no matter how little, or how much preload is placed on the spring.
This is true, unless the spring is a progressive rate spring.
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This is true, unless the spring is a progressive rate spring.
Yes, you are correct.

Suspension is one of the most overlooked components of a motor vehicle, yet yields some of the highest performance gains. And often, at no added cost. From rock crawling to motocross, large performance gains can be had through suspension setup. Everything from traction to ride quality can be drastically altered with nothing more than simple suspension changes/setup.

The subject of suspension is multifaceted but there is volumes of information online for those who are interested in learning more about their suspension and how it can help improve their vehicle's overall performance.

Most folks would find value in educating themselves about suspension related to their riding style, and their particular vehicle.
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Yes, you are correct.

Suspension is one of the most overlooked components of a motor vehicle, yet yields some of the highest performance gains. And often, at no added cost. From rock crawling to motocross, large performance gains can be had through suspension setup. Everything from traction to ride quality can be drastically altered with nothing more than simple suspension changes/setup.

The subject of suspension is multifaceted but there is volumes of information online for those who are interested in learning more about their suspension and how it can help improve their vehicle's overall performance.

Most folks would find value in educating themselves about suspension related to their riding style, and their particular vehicle.
I agree completely! I have an old Honda XR200R dirt bike and for years the rear shock did nothing more than hold the spring in place. Today, I finally replaced that tired old excuse for a shock with a new adjustable one and its like a whole new bike! I couldn't believe it made that much difference. I mean, I knew it would dampen better than the old tired one, but wow! It's like a totally different bike now

Some day I will probably do the same thing to Rex, but it will cost me 4 times a much.

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When going with bigger tires are you changing the clutching? Any concerns about stress on the motor? I run alot of deep woods, and would be nice. Some mud. Some trail riding in 30s. Mostly over grown trails and through woods.

Just thinking sooner or later going to need tires. Is there a reason not to go bigger?When going with bigger tires are you changing the clutching? Any concerns about stress on the motor? I run alot of deep woods, and would be nice. Some mud. Some trail riding in 30s. Mostly over grown trails and through woods.

Just thinking sooner or later going to need tires. Is there a reason not to go bigger?
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Barefoot, thanks for the report and pics. I like that Brute Performance lift the best of the various lifts that are available. If I decide to go to larger diameter tires I'll also use the Brute Performance lift.

Moving the lower shock mount inboard has the same affect on the shock as changing the spring-rate to a softer spring. Some folks believe that tightening down the preload changes the spring-rate but that is not true. The spring-rate remains the same no matter how little, or how much preload is placed on the spring. If a person is looking for a little softer feel on compression with the stock shock then the Brute Force lift is going to provide that feel. On the other hand, if a person needs a bit stiffer compression with the stock shock then they will have to add a spring with a stronger/heavier spring rate. Of course damping will be altered in both cases but there isn't anything that can be done in that regard with rebound as there is no rebound adjustment with the stock shock.

For the way we use our 'buggy' I would find a softer spring-rate to be a 'plus' which is why I would choose the Brute Force lift kit.
Well, yes and no on the spring rate. If you have a spring that has a spring rate of 200 lb/in. the rate itself does not change but how much force is required to compress the spring any further does change with preload. So if you have zero preload on the spring it takes 200 lbs. to compress it 1". However if you add 1" of preload it's now going to take 400 lbs. to compress the springs 1". That is 200 lbs/in. x 2" now.
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Well, yes and no on the spring rate. If you have a spring that has a spring rate of 200 lb/in. the rate itself does not change but how much force is required to compress the spring any further does change with preload. So if you have zero preload on the spring it takes 200 lbs. to compress it 1". However if you add 1" of preload it's now going to take 400 lbs. to compress the springs 1". That is 200 lbs/in. x 2" now.
Good information through out this thread. Brute Performance just got their lift kits back in stock and I just placed my order. Looking forward to the added ground clearance!
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Took the Teryx for a good ride yesterday at Uwharrie National Forest. The brute performance lift really does make it ride better. Not night and day different but noticeably better. Hit some rough trails with rocks, ruts, and just plain bumpy trails. You are not bounced around or jarred near as much in the machine. My wife noticed the smoother ride as well and asked what I done and all I said was lift kit and played with the shocks. She didnít believe it. Haha. Iíve rode at Uwharrie several times in the Teryx but this was the most enjoyable since I sold my RZR. I really am surprised by this. I did not think it would be that much better.

What do yíall think about adding a set of Bandit shocks to this setup?


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Well, yes and no on the spring rate. If you have a spring that has a spring rate of 200 lb/in. the rate itself does not change but how much force is required to compress the spring any further does change with preload. So if you have zero preload on the spring it takes 200 lbs. to compress it 1". However if you add 1" of preload it's now going to take 400 lbs. to compress the springs 1". That is 200 lbs/in. x 2" now.
Exactly.

This is why folks who choose the Brute Performance lift kit may find that the stock shock's spring rate might be too light for their needs. This being that the Brute Performance kit moves the lower shock mount inboard on the suspension arm. If the stock spring is having to be pre-loaded too much to achieve a tall ride-height then slow speed travel will be rough and unforgiving.

It will depend on how each Teryx owner uses their 'buggy' as to the feel of the suspension with the BP kit. For the way we use our Teryx having the spring rate toward the softer side will be a plus to us in that the ride will be more forgiving at slower speeds over minimally rough terrain. Meaning that I would accept less than the 2" of added lift in favor of keeping the shock's pre-load closer to stock setting and accepting the greater leverage placed on the shock by having moved the lower shock mount inbound.

In other words, if I wanted to raise the ride-height as high as possible as the first priority I might choose one of the brands of lift kits that doesn't move the location of the shock mount relative to the suspension arm. Or, I would expect to add a new spring with a greater spring-rate if using the BP lift kit.

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Took the Teryx for a good ride yesterday at Uwharrie National Forest. The brute performance lift really does make it ride better. Not night and day different but noticeably better. Hit some rough trails with rocks, ruts, and just plain bumpy trails. You are not bounced around or jarred near as much in the machine. My wife noticed the smoother ride as well and asked what I done and all I said was lift kit and played with the shocks. She didnít believe it. Haha. Iíve rode at Uwharrie several times in the Teryx but this was the most enjoyable since I sold my RZR. I really am surprised by this. I did not think it would be that much better.

What do yíall think about adding a set of Bandit shocks to this setup?


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If I was considering a whole new shock to go with the BP lift kit the first thing I would want to know is what the spring-rate is relative to the Kawasaki stock spring-rate. Since you like the ride you are getting now, I would not want a shock with a lighter spring-rate than what you already have.

Since those Bandit shocks have compression, AND rebound adjustability along with preload adjustment, they might be great for your needs with the BP kit if the spring-rate is just a little heavier than the stock spring-rate.

The other thing to consider with those Bandit shocks is that Bandit says you need to grind a little metal away from the lower area of the upper shock mount. With the BP lift kit the shock is being 'stood-up' more upright and I would be concerned about the fit on the upper mount. You should check with Bandit about fit with the BP kit???
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I'll probably end up doing what @Barefoot did with the pre-load and adjust it to about half what the BP kit calls for to achieve the full 2" I would actually be ok with 1" of lift with the stock pre-load, but my concern with not adjust it at all would be in situations where i'm dropping from a tallish rock. I don't want the spring rate to be so light that I end up bottoming out easier in those situations than I would without the lift.

It seems the 50% mark is a good sweet spot that yields a ride at least as comfy as the stock setup while still giving you somewhere between 1-2" of added clearance.
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I don't have a problem with bottoming out or ride quality. I just wonder if I could get more clearance over logs and such.
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Did anyone add wheel spacers with the BP lift kit?
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If you got stuck on something you will want to go with a lift and or larger tires. If you are just worried about beating up the bottom of the teryx I would look into a set of aftermarket skid plates. Or you could do both which would make it a fair amount more capable. Any way you choose I don't think you can go wrong.
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