Here's the pissing match.
This is the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard. Can't feel a diff. my A$$. Try looking at the dyno #'s from any one of the performance parts suppliers in this industry. If you really had a fraction of your supposed experience in and around motorsports of any kind you wouldn't make such a ridiculous statement. You Sir sounds like an idiot and a troll!I hope everyone realizes that ANY changes you do to these things performance wise really does nothing, don't want a pissing match or anything. I've done every mod except exhaust which I don't want. Driving with all the mods you can feel a slight difference but machine vs machine it really does nothing. I have the power commander V, converter knocked out, spark arrestor gone and the recall done, it's not worth wondering if anything is going to be "better", it's not, everybody who wants to believe it makes a difference go ahead, I've been modding stuff for years from race cars to diesel trucks, to racing bikes and now these, it's not worth worrying youself over for sure, the speed limit removal is the only thing I my opinion that is really a must to do.
I'm with you. The fact is for a reasonable amount of money you can push these machines to out perform another machine that was already designed to be a go fast machine in comparison to a machine that was design to be the best well rounded machine on the market. Providing both speed on open trails and tighter mountain trail performance as balanced between the two as possible. I can say for me one of the biggest limiting factors of the new Teryx is the speed limiter. But I get why a manufacture would want to limit their liability...I'm the other 5%....... If you know what you're doing with a PCV and a map, even with the stock exhaust, the gains are there. A "new-belt" has nothing to do with it. The PCV I bought was not 470.00??? Not sure where you bought yours.
Gutting the exhaust lowers temps and increases flow.......Period. Even on a bone-stock machine. The closed-loop system "Learns" and adapts to change, rather well as a matter of fact. To a point of course.
That's where mapping and the PCV comes into play. The gains with a good exhaust, even tho your highness with all your infinite wisdom, "don't want one" are astounding. Smoking a RZR-900XP from 0-60............$1170.00 well spent.
The proof is in the pudding!!! looks some damn good noticeable improvements to me. :icon_thumleft::icon_thumleft:No pissing match here. None wanted. Just for the record as much as I dislike Benchmark my 2013 Benchmark reflashed ECM on my 2013 Teryx with no other mods would smoke my stock 2014 T4 800 in 300'. Yes if you get the right setup it does do well. If you have a PCV (I got mine from VFJ) but not the right mapping, you won't get anything but raised rev limiter. That reflashed ECM made a HUGE difference. Ask my buddy Tony.
I like to get a little extra out of my machine. To me it is worth every penny. Lot cheaper than a lot of work I have done on my Diesel truck.
Yea I have a PCV, Muzzy's Exhaust, BKP clutch work (No cutting) and the BKP 900 kit with the full head and valve treatment. To me it is worth it.
Belt had nothing to do with it. It is springs and flyweights that do the work to make it preform better than stock. Raising the rev limiter goes hand in hand with clutch work.
My machine runs pretty good and is GREAT on the trails, I got it setup for trails. These are trail cams not drag cams.
First video below is my T4 against my then stock T2.
2014 BKP 900 teryx v stock 2014 teryx - YouTube
Next two videos are of my T4 BKP 900 racing a bone stock Maverick 1000.
2014 BKP Teryx vs 2014 Maverick - YouTube
2014 BKP 900 Teryx vs 2014 Can Am Maverick - YouTube
Video does not lie. It is right there for anyone to see. You can hop up these machines and after owning now 7 Teryx machines and doing clutch work to them and a ECM or PCV or CDI and an exhaust and a better flowing air filter (right now using FuelUTV on my 2014's and 2013 I sold Tony) it does make them perform better especially the low end through mid range. I am not a top end guy so I don't setup my stuff for that. I like Muzzy's exhaust and have worked with them through the years and they have fixed everything I have complained about or requested. Good exhaust for the money.
This is the exactly the kind of performance at elevation info I've been looking for. Is your machine stock???Took mine to Colorado. Rode almost 400 miles in 5 days so I would say I put it to the test. Went over Poughkipsee Gulch and Imogene. Carried a passenger and the only time I had any issue was climbing an extremely steep rock at 13000 ft but that was an air intake issue. No problems crawling some crazy stuff. Clutch was solid.
Is there a fix for air intake at 13000 ft?
I would agree with you. I gained less than 2 HP from what you are describing above. Even putting on a Muzzy's exhaust which was not installed on this run I seriously doubt you are going to see anywhere close to 12 HP that has been claimed. Stock HP is over 41. I got a whopping 43 on this the best run. You can also see the wet clutch slippage on this run as well. This was on fully synthetic oil BTW.I'm really not angry, I'm trying to say that MY experience is, on a 800cc teryx4 adding a PCV tuned from VFJ and gutting the converter along with spark arrestor to me" IN MY OPINION" is not worth it. Why is that so wrong on here? My real world experience is that it will barely give you a quarter of a buggy length in 0-50mph performance. I do not deny that you can lower your temps or get a minor slight seat of the pants feel with some modifications, but it just isn't worth it. What I'm trying to say is If I would have talked to someone with these mods and said unless you want to remove the speed limiter it's not worth it I would have saved my money. Do you know what the optimal air fuel ratio for these bikes are at WOT? I'm offering some R&D on this opinionated subject. To me it's like this, somebody posts on here is it worth it to add a PCV and gut my exhaust for performance gains? Hey I say no now; but let me do some data logging and if I need to add some fuel because of the more free flowing exhaust along with VFJ's timing curve then I'll post my opinion of gains after that. What's wrong with this?